Okay, this mentality is hugely fucking problematic. I put my stuff on the internet to share with people who like the stuff I like, in a space that I’m in control of. People taking it and putting it elsewhere against my wishes is not “just how the internet works”, it’s a disrespectful practice perpetuated by assholes who just want to take stuff that’s not theirs and use it to get notes or earn money or what the fuck ever. If people really liked my work and had respect for me as an artist and A PERSON they would allow me to control where my own work is displayed, and stop assuming just because you CAN download it and put it somewhere else, means you SHOULD. I don’t even understand how people could NOT understand the artists’ desire to maintain control of their work?? I’M the one who spent hours making it, just because I let people see it and have access to a digital copy doesn’t mean I suddenly wave all rights to it or should not give a shit what people do with it. If there were a way to share without allowing people to save it, believe me, I would do that.
Also, it doesn’t matter how respectfully the work is taken. Consider a scenario here: the image is taken once, and put on instagram with credit. Then three other people see it from instagram. One puts it on pinterest with the tumblr source. The second puts it on weheartit with credit to the instagram, because hey, that links back to the source, that’s good enough, right? The third person forgets to link back at all, oh well. More people take it from all of those places, crediting any of those places in between. All of the different sources of this image mess with search engine algorithms and override the actual image source, making it harder to find. Someone from etsy looking for copyright free images to use on products finds one of these unsourced images and takes it and makes a bunch of money off it, hurting the artist financially and wasting their time as they struggle to get the products removed. Some idiot who wants to print out a bunch of johnlock porn to shock the actors on a talk show finds some reposted nsfw easily on google and suddenly an artist who just wanted to share their art with a few like-minded people is being mocked in front of millions of viewers. Eventually, the image comes full circle and is reposted on Tumblr with no credit, when it could have easily just been reblogged from the artist.
This is ignoring all of the people who lie about the source and claim they made it, which DOES HAPPEN despite your claim that it does not. People claim ownership, people trace, people copy the style, people do all kinds of things when they think they’ll get away with it.
This fucking happens. To almost all of the images I post. Multiple times. A day.
How hard is it for people to just decide NOT TO BE AN ASSHOLE AND STEAL IT? Why do people always come back to the artist with this bullshit “well if you didn’t want it stolen why did you put it up??” victim blaming garbage? How does that make any sense except to people who want an excuse to steal??
I’m going to publish this in case other people had this question burning on their mind and because I’m honestly so incensed that people even still ask this question after pretty much every internet artist has had to explain it a dozen times. However I hid their name because even though I’m really pissed off by messages worded this way I have nothing against them personally and don’t want to get them flooded with hate mail or whatever. I’d like to think you are honestly asking, but considering your message is worded like the millions of other messages artists get constantly questioning their rights to control how people share their work, with the standard assumption of my ignorance when it comes to “how things work” and undertone of judgement for thinking I would ever dare try to change “how things work”, forgive me if I’m skeptical.
People who ask questions like this, YOU just don’t want to accept that you have done something the artist dislikes, so you throw the blame back on the artist. YOU don’t want to change the comfortable little way you’re spending your time online taking others’ works, so you try to convince the artist it’s their fault and it won’t change. This is YOUR problem. Ask yourself if you really want artists to stop sharing their work with you and then decide whether that’s a viable solution to this issue.
And yet we share other peoples work on our facebook walls, youtube and tumblr’s daily (even artist’s who get their artwork shared and then blow it out of proportion)….its called TV show gifs, screenshots, edited screenshots, music, movie stills, links to movies etc etc. So I guess with that logic we shouldn’t share those either? Those should just remain where we found them? Hmm maybe I understand why companies are so pissed that people make fan videos and post entire movie and episodes online now (I dont really, because credit is being given etc, but you get my point). Same. Shit. Different. Pile.
I’m sorry, I’m an artist, so I can respect this person’s frustration, but I’m sorry, I can’t tolerate people who think they can control the internet and who are just as hypocritical as the people who message them saying not to post it on the internet.
In ways, the artist is right, there is a fine line with SHARING artwork. We need to SOURCE the original content and CREDIT the artist, but hell if credit is being given, you should seriously shut up and stop complaining and be like this asker said, thankful that people are 1) crediting you, cause its not done often, so take that as a huge step forward into recognizing creative rights and 2) SHARING YOU WORK WITH THE WORLD. I mean isn’t that the POINT of why you posted it? So what difference does it make (if its being done right) that someone decided this is AWESOME enough to share on another blog or website CREDITS AND SOURCES you and you get even more people seeing your work that you posted for the WORLD to see in the first place? THIS is why this question is ALWAYS asked and always brought up because artists are becoming too PICKY with their works. I’m sorry, I’ve said it a thousand times, I’ll say it again. If you post it online, thats the end of it. Its free dips to share, reblog, and even yes sadly steal (in which then you can peruse legal action and have the right to complain all you want) but SHARING a piece that is CREDITED and SOURCED is NOT stealing, get that through your head. We need to focus on the bigger issue and thats people STEALING art, making fake accounts and claiming it as their own. THAT is a bigger issue than “Not being able to control whether people use right click or not”.
I can understand its frustrating when you dont know where your art is being posted, but dear god, its the internet, its not a private art gallery you rented on a side street. If you want complete CONTROL of where you art goes, then do that -___- Post it on the internet, then you’re a open book my dear. I know this as an artist. If I have something I don’t want shared, I simply don’t post it. I’ve threatened and almost sued many people for stealing my artwork in the past, so I know how the legal system works when it comes to our rights as artists. Let me tell you right now, if you were to go after any of these people who have sourced and credited you, you’d be laughed at because sorry darling, they didn’t steal it, they shared it and further more, they linked it back to you (even if there is no vital link and its just your username, name, blog name etc or even, yes this is true because I tried to fight it once, “Credit goes to the original artist. I do not own this photo/video/drawing etc”.)
The internet cannot be controlled and it sadly never will be. Thats why this question keeps being asked because artists are trying to say they want a “Controlled” space, well you’re not going to find it here and all while doing the SAME THING on their tumblrs, facebook, instagrams, and whatever, that they’re trying to get other people to not do when it comes to their art that they shared on a public domain.
And here we have an example of THE PROBLEM.
You’ll never be able to control the entire world around you, so if you don’t want your art to be shared without your knowledge, don’t share it in the first place.
Just take all art off of everywhere because it will inevitably be stolen, what a novel idea. No art for anyone ever again, bye.
"My car was stolen, officer!"
"Well son, did you have it locked in your garage where no one could ever ever see it or look at it and so you can never drive it so you don’t tempt people to steal it?"
tbh, anybody who says “that’s just how the internet works” or “if you don’t want your art stolen don’t post it” has probably never had their artwork ripped off
yeah I realize it’s kind of an inevitability, BUT that’s still no excuse to shit on an artist for wanting to maintain their some semblance of control over their own work you absolute toilets. if you’re going to shit on anyone, shit on the people who go out of their way to jack other artists’ work and are too much of a lazy fuckhole to figure out where it came from
This whole “well, you probably watched an episode of that one show online instead of paying for network access” or “you posted a mean girls gif - you’re ripping off mean girls, why can’t people post your art?” arguments are SO ridiculously unbalanced.
Major movie studios/networks are NOT the same as independent artist. Posting a screen cap of a movie with a $100,000,000+ budget is NOT the same as reposting the that cool drawing X artist did. Just think about and take a look at who this affects - a single small time artist who depends on their work for a living? Or a group of hollywood executive producers?
I’m not saying it’s okay to rip off hollywood at ALL, don’t get me wrong there - I’m just saying this: don’t ever compare it to ripping off the person on the blog next door who did that drawing so they could barely afford groceries this week. That’s not fair and it’s not realistic!
Alrighty, so I’m seeing a lot of arguments involving the money aspect of art, here, or comparing it to a physical property. The two that stick out the most to me are the car comparison and the movie studio comparison right above. So, are we referring to artwork that’s exclusively posted on a paysite? Because if that’s the case, then yes, it can be stolen, and really should not be getting shared around.
However, this doesn’t apply to free artwork or commissions. In the former case, it’s absolutely ludicrous to place it online, allow people who frequent that particular gallery or forum or what-have-you to view it, and expect that nobody will post the art elsewhere. This is nothing like having a car stolen - nobody is losing anything by it’s being used elsewhere (unlike a paysite, where the site would lose revenue from its art being posted elsewhere for free), and nobody is being deprived of the ability to enjoy it (unlike a car, where the car being taken will deprive the car’s actual owner and those s/he allows to drive it from its use). Nobody is losing out at all. The only situation where this ceases to be the case is if someone takes a free image and puts it up on a paysite, and even in that case, people will gravitate toward the free source more often than the one they have to pay $19.95 a month to see.
Now, regarding commission work. If you don’t want it reposted, this is something you, as the artist, must discuss with the commissioner. Tell them specifically that it’s only for private use. Make it a part of your contract with that person, so if they do indeed share it and it gets put up, you can more easily identify who the responsible party is. Likewise for commissioners; if you specifically do not want the art you’re buying shared, make sure the artist doesn’t post it, and additionally make sure you only commission from artist who do not have a clause allowing them to post their commission work regardless of your wishes, Once the art is payed for, unless a paysite bought the artwork for personal financial use, the artist has made all the money s/he is ever going to make on it. This is completely counter to things like movies, where continued sales will result in royalties paid out to the actors, the film crew, the producers, all the other involved staff.
There’s also art collections that have to be covered, though; groups of digital images sold outright in a zip file, or something to that effect. That kind of goes in the same category as commission work. This, I can understand an artist getting upset when it gets posted to the internet. These are, after all, private files we’re talking about, and thus not to be shared. This is a danger of doing this type of thing though, and while in a perfect world people would always abide by the rules you give them regarding your art, this is an imperfect world and one where you kind of have to expect that sending your files out is just like firing a gun. All you have control over is when you pull the trigger and where you first aim, but once that bullet’s out of the chamber, your control over where it goes is gone. If you want to make a profit, just be smart about it; take preorders, but expect your first wave of selling that particular art package to be your only wave.
I feel like I’ve gotta address OP’s attitude toward control, now that I mention it. They said they only want their art in a place they have control over. What I have to wonder is why that is? If they’re not making any money off of the artwork, and not losing any money by it’s being posted elsewhere, the only thing I can think of is that they want to see the reaction to it at all times, in a place where they know what that reaction is going to be. It just smacks of insecurity to me; they’re afraid someone’s going to be insulting of either the quality or content of their art, and if that happens somewhere they don’t have any control, they won’t have anyone to call the naysayer out. They want to psychically control the direction and speed of their bullet well after it’s been shot, and getting mad that physics doesn’t work like that. It’s entirely possible that I’m way off base, but seriously, what other reason could they have to not want artwork that they placed in public view and don’t plan to make a profit from reposted even with credit given?
And no, “the principle of the thing” doesn’t count. That’s kind of the adult version of a child stomping when they don’t get their way crying, “It’s not fair!” I agree, it may not be fair, and I’d love it if more people had a sense of justice and fairness, but it’s also kind of naive to expect everyone’s senses of justice and fairness to be absolute.
I’mma reblog this just for that Onyxtanuki reply. Very well said!